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Episode 4 Pride | The Feelings Lab
With professional volleyball player Cassidy Lichtman, we discuss pride, an emotion that drives human achievement and structures the social hierarchy, but clearly also has a dark side.

In this week’s episode of The Feelings Lab, we discuss the emotion of pride. Join returning hosts Dr. Alan Cowen, Dr. Dacher Keltner, Danielle Krettek-Cobb and Matt Forte with our guest Cassidy Lichtman, a professional volleyball player for Athletes Unlimited, a Chairperson of the Volleyball Player Executive Committee, and former member of the USA Volleyball Women’s National Team.
Learn the difference between authentic and hubristic pride, how prideful energy motivates, and how the pressure to sustain glory and triumph can destroy reputations. And yes, gorillas do beat their chest in celebratory pride.
Begin by hearing Dr. Dacher Keltner explains how pride helps us to find our “place” in society.
Learn about how pride and shame exist in opposition to one another and hear Dr. Alan Cowen discuss the complexity of these rival self-conscious emotions.
Next, hear our guest star Cassidy Lichtman describes how pride is essential when you step on the volleyball court and compete at the highest levels.
Hear Dr. Alan Cowen share his favorite animal behavior manifestation of pride, seen in both gorillas... and humans!
And hear Danielle Krettek-Cobb details behaviors with authentic versus hubristic pride, and her heartbreak with Lance Armstrong’s downfall.
All this and more can be found in our full episode, available on Apple and Spotify
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